10 month old CC still house soiling

[Beaubailey]

[h=2]I also posted did question on the general forum - apologies

I have 10 month old CC Mastiff that I got at 7 months old. She was most likely left in a kennel when she didn't sell at a couple of months old. So - she was never house trained, or spent much if any time in a house. It was clear that she was sitting in her own urine/didn't bother her when in the kennel. The breeder has a large amount of dogs in nice kennels - but it appears they spend most if not all time outside in kennels.
It is likely she was never given free access to water. Upon arriving at my house she tried to dring the 2 1/2 gallons of water in the water bowl. Of course she urinated all over the house. She was brought to the Vet the day after - no medical issues - all behavioral.
She is no longer on water restriction as she has learned to drink "normally" and that the water is always there. She has learned to NOT go in the house when I'm at home, and she holds it during the night -if I'm there to teach her, she learns quickly.
However, when when I'm at work whe will go in the bedroom (gated off) at least 2 times during the day, even as my dog have a petsitter that comes in daily for 45 minutes.
She is so good in every other way. Gets along with the other dogs, has learned what it is to be a house pet, learns quickly, is playfull, submissive to me - but - she goes in the house.
I tried crate training. Everything is fine if I'm at home. When I leave she rolls the crate!!! and breaks out of it. She is clearly inpanic, and has hurt herself. I tried a few times, and feel that the crate may not ever work.
I'm not a novice dog owner. i have had dogs for 14 years, done therapy dog work, trained challenging, aggressive dogs.
She has me stumped.
Please help! Any and all responses are appreciated.[/h]

 

[mx5055]

I feel for you; it is so much more difficult to house train an older pet. From reading what you wrote, it appears to me that you have definitely made a lot of progress with her since you've had her given the issues she had (and the poor treatment at the breeders) when you first got her. It sounds like you're having mostly success, just the incidents when you are gone at work? Do you leave an unlimited water supply out for her when you are at work? Does your pet sitter come at a good time? If she has water during the morning before you go to work, could you not give her water when you leave, then after the pet sitter is there and she does her business then perhaps she could put it down for her for the rest of the day? I am certainly not advocating giving her water, but she is inside where it is temperature controlled, and my dog sleeps in a crate at night and goes quite a span without water without issues. I am just try to think of an idea that might help.... It sounds to me like you have made amazing progress with her. Good luck and keep us updated

 

[Beaubailey]

Thank you for responding! Yes - mostly incidents when I'm at work. On a few occasions the bedroom has been dry when the pet sitter arrives. And according to the sitter, my mastiff does her business outside. She is given water before we take our long walk (50-60 mins) in the AM. Then a sip and no water. The pet sitter allows her a little before letting the dogs outside.
My feeling is that she has not completely understood that the difference between inside/outside, because I have yet to catch her peeing and pooping in the bedroom during the day. If that was possible I think we would be well on our way. And as I feel I can't crate her (she appears to panic), she is not crated during the night. NO accidents!
I have made an appointment with a Veterinary Behavioral specialist. I hope this pays off.
Again, thank you-

 

[mx5055]

I wish you good luck, and I hope the behavioral specialist will have some new ideas. Crating works well with my dog, but after reading how she responds to it while you're away I wouldn't do it either. I think you've made tremendous progress with her and please keep us updated

 

[Beaubailey]

Found out that Maya has giardia - I may be miss spelling - so she is being medicated. But it is in my min looking more and more as anxiety. Yesterday had to rush to the bank, so I rushed her to the bedroom. She submissively peed, as she always does. Of course she is NEVER punished for doing so. In any case, when i cam home less than an hour later there was a big puddle of pee, poop,and a destroyed dog bed. Feels like anxiety to me. The Veterinary behavioral specialist said to get a web cam, which I think is a good idea, so we will se.

 

[mx5055]

It could be just the giardia making her incapable of holding her bowels. I would definitely wait to reevaluate until finishing the meds and testing clear.

 

[Beaubailey]

My CC is now is 22 months old, soon to be 2 years old. I have learned much about her first few months of life by having her in my life.
1. She had sever separation anxiety. Destroyed the bedroom-walls, floor, the bed.
2. Can't be crated.
3. Was at BEST kept in the house for a few weeks by the breeder, then put outside in a kennel for several months.

Took her to the Vet/behavioral specialist. My CC was on meds for a while for the anxiety. She very recently was house trained.

This goes to show how you should research breeders in depth. I thought I had - I was wrong. The breeder I got my dog from has several litters per year. She has dogs in nice kennels out side her house. But it appears they live in the kennels, not in the house. This should have been my red flag - but......

My CC is a VERY good dog. But to get her there took so much more than finding a breeder (I thought was reputable). I have invested thousands of dollars.

Let this be a warning to those looking for a breeder. Do your research-

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I am glad to hear she is doing well, thanks for the update on her.