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Registered Corso or not

Patrick

Well-Known Member
hey guys,
I have a question. Why would someone state the mother and father are registered BUT the puppies will NOT be registered.... To be honest it sounds like a scam to increase the price( saying parents are registered) but the puppies will Not be registered. Please educate me on this situation. I kerp running into people stating this here in the Dallas Tx. area.....
 

Boxergirl

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Usually pups that are not being kept for a performance home (show, competition, etc) are placed on a limited registration which means that any litters produced by that dog aren't eligible to be registered. That's normally done to prevent back yard breeding of dogs that, for one reason or another, aren't breeding quality. Or to help prevent people breeding irresponsibly or to make money. Breeds gaining in popularity - notably the Corso in recent years - are often ruined by irresponsible breeding and limited registration is one attempt to keep lines true and make backyard breeding less lucrative. In my experience.

What are the contract stipulations surrounding the pups you're looking at? Have you asked these breeders why they say the pups won't be registered? All of my pups have been limited registration and sold on a contract. Except Ella, the EM. She was a foster fail that came to me at 5 weeks. We believe she came from a breeder of ill repute in the area.
 

glen

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Staff member
hey guys,
I have a question. Why would someone state the mother and father are registered BUT the puppies will NOT be registered.... To be honest it sounds like a scam to increase the price( saying parents are registered) but the puppies will Not be registered. Please educate me on this situation. I kerp running into people stating this here in the Dallas Tx. area.....
Im over here in the uk, i often look on the selling pages for puppies just to see whats going on with the breed. I see some dogs that are registered thats meant to be ccs that truely arent. Apparently rare coloured that looks like a dalmation on steroids or ones thats been imported thats defo got pit bull in, which i adore the pitbull breed, but its unfortunately banned here, one advert was selling colours that looked like the australian cattle dog. They were registered with iccf. So papers mean nothing to me now over here.
I often get shocked, angry and then feel for the buyers of the new pups. They are charging thousands then the owners are struggling as some of the mixes are hard work, then the poor pups arent wanted.
 

Loverboy Skyline

Well-Known Member
Usually pups that are not being kept for a performance home (show, competition, etc) are placed on a limited registration which means that any litters produced by that dog aren't eligible to be registered. That's normally done to prevent back yard breeding of dogs that, for one reason or another, aren't breeding quality. Or to help prevent people breeding irresponsibly or to make money. Breeds gaining in popularity - notably the Corso in recent years - are often ruined by irresponsible breeding and limited registration is one attempt to keep lines true and make backyard breeding less lucrative. In my experience.

What are the contract stipulations surrounding the pups you're looking at? Have you asked these breeders why they say the pups won't be registered? All of my pups have been limited registration and sold on a contract. Except Ella, the EM. She was a foster fail that came to me at 5 weeks. We believe she came from a breeder of ill repute in the area.
I think you accurately stated the virtuous reasons for selling unregistered puppies, but there are also other reasons. I think that chief among those reasons is competition. If you sell a registered puppy that means competition in the future. That's why a breeder doesn't necessarily have to be ethical to want to sell unregistered puppies.
 

Boxergirl

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I think you accurately stated the virtuous reasons for selling unregistered puppies, but there are also other reasons. I think that chief among those reasons is competition. If you sell a registered puppy that means competition in the future. That's why a breeder doesn't necessarily have to be ethical to want to sell unregistered puppies.

I'm sure this is sometimes the case. Which is why the buyer must thoroughly research potential breeders. Every single responsible breeder that I know in any breed isn't trying to prevent competition or make money. They're breeding for love of the breed and to produce the best specimen of the breed they love that they can. They do NOT want people deciding they want "just one of his/her puppies" and breeding irresponsibly and then selling the other pups to anyone they want.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Not sure if what I have to say provides any possible explanation, but when we got Bailey, it was from a BYB (sort of), he had a girl dog, his buddy had a boy dog and if I followed the conversations about it, it was a guy thing...the two guys wanted to get their dogs a date. And, although both parents were registered, they owners were not "in the business" so to speak, and not set up to submit the necessary paperwork, pay fees, etc., for getting the puppies registered. It wasn't that it was an impossibility, the man said, if we wanted it, AND, agreed to pay extra for the dog, he would do the necessary work to sort out the registration issues. Well, we didn't want a show dog, we wanted a pet, so registration wasn't an issue. He did require that we give him first pick of a puppy, should we ever bred Bailey. We agreed, but we never did breed her and that was the end of our interactions with the BYB.

PS: Best Dog Ever, we got lucky.
 

Patrick

Well-Known Member
Usually pups that are not being kept for a performance home (show, competition, etc) are placed on a limited registration which means that any litters produced by that dog aren't eligible to be registered. That's normally done to prevent back yard breeding of dogs that, for one reason or another, aren't breeding quality. Or to help prevent people breeding irresponsibly or to make money. Breeds gaining in popularity - notably the Corso in recent years - are often ruined by irresponsible breeding and limited registration is one attempt to keep lines true and make backyard breeding less lucrative. In my experience.

What are the contract stipulations surrounding the pups you're looking at? Have you asked these breeders why they say the pups won't be registered? All of my pups have been limited registration and sold on a contract. Except Ella, the EM. She was a foster fail that came to me at 5 weeks. We believe she came from a breeder of ill repute in the area.


As usual,
I appreciate your response. Lol
I agree with what you have said, but in this case the breeder stated she hadn't registered them because she didn't have Time....and I was like oh.... this wasn't a planned mating...she said it was. I then asked to see the parents. Didnt want anyone knowing where she lived is what she said. I was like ok... well can you bring the parents and the puppies.. response was she only owned the mom not the dad but didn't want to bring mom when I was going to come view the puppies.... it all sounded shady to me !!
 

Patrick

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I then ran across a supposed breeder that stated both parents were registered. I asked to see the parents....the black one is the mom.. now this could be an old pic but doesn't look as if she just had puppies and she Certainly isn't a Corso.... this is frustrating....
 

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Boxergirl

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As usual,
I appreciate your response. Lol
I agree with what you have said, but in this case the breeder stated she hadn't registered them because she didn't have Time....and I was like oh.... this wasn't a planned mating...she said it was. I then asked to see the parents. Didnt want anyone knowing where she lived is what she said. I was like ok... well can you bring the parents and the puppies.. response was she only owned the mom not the dad but didn't want to bring mom when I was going to come view the puppies.... it all sounded shady to me !!

This isn't a responsible breeder. I'd bet no testing was done either. Someone like this wouldn't get any of my money. I'm still unclear on why the litter can't still be registered if both parents are registered. No matter really, as if I was in the market for a pup I wouldn't get one from this person.

As for the other breeder ... CCs can be black and tan. It's a recessive throwback, if I remember my color genetics correctly. I believe it's considered a fault. I know in other breeds (boxer, dane for example) dogs of certain colors are not used in breeding. It's primarily for health issues in those breeds rather than aesthetics. I'm not sure if that's the case with the Corso. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can answer about that. That doesn't mean I'd go with this breeder either.

Patrick, where are you finding these breeders? They don't seem to be what I would expect to find when looking for responsible breeders. I'm not trying to be offensive, but these look like breeders I'd expect to see on craigslist or sites like that. Generally the people that advertise in places like that don't know much about breeding and you're more likely to run into issues like this. What exactly are you looking for in a breeder? Perhaps we can help you find someone. I wouldn't mess with anything less than a responsible breeder for a CC. They've become too popular too quickly and have been really messed up in some areas of the country. Messed up in conformation, health, and temperament.
 

Loverboy Skyline

Well-Known Member
I then ran across a supposed breeder that stated both parents were registered. I asked to see the parents....the black one is the mom.. now this could be an old pic but doesn't look as if she just had puppies and she Certainly isn't a Corso.... this is frustrating....
Technically the breeder might be correct by saying both parents are registered. The mom could be a registered Rottie! :)
 

Patrick

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Technically the breeder might be correct by saying both parents are registered. The mom could be a registered Rottie! :)

I posted awhile back asking for help finding a breeder in Texas....lol
I actually found one in Houston.... about 4 hours from me. Great family. Got a Beautiful girl. The breeder is actually a family friend of my ol college roommate. She is registered, and I have 6 generations of her lineage. I have ONE issue... They srated that alot of their customers/family use their dogs for protection and hunting, and they are asked to NOT declaw the pups. I have googled it and it does say it helps them hold down things/people.... i just don't know if at 12 weeks how painful it would be to have them removed now....
 

Boxergirl

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I may be wrong, but much beyond 12 weeks I believe it would be considered an amputation if the dew claw is functional. Not all dogs have a functional dew claw. Some are attached by skin only. The removal of dew claws and tail docking is done so early because it's a much simpler and much less painful procedure/recovery than if done at an older age. Dew claw removal at an older age probably isn't a huge deal like a tail is, but I'd consult with a vet about it. I'm not even sure vets routinely remove them much past a few days old if there is no injury. I do believe that it's standard to keep dew claws unless there's a good reason to remove them. Boxers have them removed. English mastiffs don't. My Ella has functional dew claws and she uses them kind of like a thumb. The boxers I fostered that had dew claws did not have functional ones. I'm not sure if that helps you at all.
 

Loverboy Skyline

Well-Known Member
I posted awhile back asking for help finding a breeder in Texas....lol
I actually found one in Houston.... about 4 hours from me. Great family. Got a Beautiful girl. The breeder is actually a family friend of my ol college roommate. She is registered, and I have 6 generations of her lineage. I have ONE issue... They srated that alot of their customers/family use their dogs for protection and hunting, and they are asked to NOT declaw the pups. I have googled it and it does say it helps them hold down things/people.... i just don't know if at 12 weeks how painful it would be to have them removed now....
Personally I think dew claws are over-rated. I don't see what their function is, but I also don't see the harm in keeping them. My BM breeder had the dew claws removed. Her BM's participate in shows. I personally would not remove dew claws at 12 weeks. It's not too hard to keep them trimmed so they don't get in the way.
 

marke

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"purebred" corso come with the rott markings ...it has probably more than a little to do with the claim rott was put in the breed ...i believe in the original standard the markings were a dq .......... i think the only reason was to get rid of it .........