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Brindle or Fawn

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
Long lost facts? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. More like a select groups opinion's being passed as fact. Both sides have "facts" and neither sides "facts" are facts. If they were fact their would be no debate.

fawn

Sigh.... its long lost because this is the first time that I have even heard of that breed let along it being part of the fila.... So now the Fila is part labrador of sorts.. fantastic. I really dont care what the make up is at all since it is now a breed and cannot be changed, added to or whatever. The point is tomorrow a black dog with brown point over the eyes will appear and all of a sudden the fila didnt come from labradors at all! YEY! we were all led astray as new facts emerged that the fila is now actually part doberman..... then lo and behold the new (long lost) gene will start popping up all over the place... it will of course demand a higher price but it is worth it I assure you...
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
Well I know at least three theories about Fila Brasileiro origins... That the breed descend from Fila de Terceira, That the breed descend from Old English Bulldog and English Mastiff are the more accepted, but with portuguese dogs coming to Brazil the Cão de Castro Laboreiro and the Cão de Gado Transmontano that were used in Portugal to drive cattle and protect from wolfs by peasants would be used here in a similar function.... They say Fila Brasileiro got the dark brindle and black color from Cão de Castro Laboreiro and the white colar and socks from Cão de Castro Transmontano....

It is hard to trace a breed origin and I don't really care much, but here is a photo of a Fila Brasileiro wining a show when the breed was oficialized
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BTW Eros, this color is still accepted under the only club that has not changed its standard... CAFIB. This dog is brindle it just happens to have more white and thats fine. cant tell you anything else about that dog but the color is accepted under CAFIB. Also the black color isnt considered inferior, it is a disqualification under the CAFIB standard for mixed breeding.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Oh I'm talking your ideology as a whole not what ever breed was mentioned. I love your flip floppery. "it's not the color black it's the faults that appear with the color thats the problem" "black is a dq for mix breeding"

I would focus on the dog not the club. Clubs love to feed you myths and hypes even though both sides crank out shit dogs. Then when the vids of shit dogs in testing pop up they call them "green". But no worries, after 2 or 3 shows they get use to it, and they all look like hard asses. Of coarse training is a no go but we dont call "experience" training.
 

ErosVp

Member
The black color is not DQ for CBKC, and there are plenty of good breeders outside CAFIB. But only a few breed the black color, so it is hard to see a black fila with a good structure but it is not impossible... There must be good breeder with black Filas out there.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
The black color is not DQ for CBKC, and there are plenty of good breeders outside CAFIB. But only a few breed the black color, so it is hard to see a black fila with a good structure but it is not impossible... There must be good breeder with black Filas out there.

Like blacks or hate them dont matter to me. But to pretend your speaking in fact when your reiterating others opinions. You cant say "I really dont care what the make up is at all since it is now a breed" yet claim your opinion on it's make up is based in fact.

Well you can, you just dont know what a fact truely is. There are some fine cafib dogs. But they aint the end all be all.

 

tojvan

Well-Known Member
I prefer brindle fawn is too plain jane for me and it's the colour most filas come in side your probability of winning the show is higher if it's a fawn because it's easier to judge compared to a brindle
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
oh please.. I know a fact and here it is. If you want your dog to be a Fila just say that it is. Chuck will verify and you will be breeding in no time. have a nice day.
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
It really is, pretty boy. Anyone who see that dog can say it is a Fila.

its amazing how you guys do that. I cant wait to have enough experience to look at a blurry, pixalated pic from the 70s. 80s of a black dog, not being able to see its face and w/o a doubt say it is a pure bred Fila...
 

Bh-k9

Well-Known Member
If you start worrying about color then you tend to forgot more important traits such as workability, nerve, drive wether it be fight, defense, civil drive, etc.

I want my working dog to work first win buety pagients last. I prefer a solid color but would not think twice in choosing a "mongrel" black, are brindle if they possessed the correct working temperment.

Dogmans theory of color and temperment are indeed true, in any breed certain colors tend to produce certin temperments on a Constant basis.


Example- gsd..darker sables, reverse masked, tend but not always produce dogs with higher drives and better overal temp then lest say a red and black are tan. It's because the dogs that started those lines carried those certain traits.

Filas- fawn, light brindles tend to have better temp then blacks and dark brindles, it's just a fact. Are there sh*** fawns, and over the top civil blacks f*** yah but overal the odds are not in your favor...

Why the fck anyone would care about color over temperment any any "working" breed is unbenoyced to me, seems pretty stupid.

Answer your original question sorry had to vent because this same convo is happening in regards to mals, and working gads. I like the solid color dogs with dark pigmentation and if it is brindle I prefer the light brindles because in my crazy mind they look like something of the african planes that are ready to eat your ass.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Yea cause I'm known for that. Stick to your parties talking points. You dont fair well when you try to wing it.You deal poorly with reality. Like what facts are and what not's.
oh please.. I know a fact and here it is. If you want your dog to be a Fila just say that it is. Chuck will verify and you will be breeding in no time. have a nice day.
 

tojvan

Well-Known Member
its amazing how you guys do that. I cant wait to have enough experience to look at a blurry, pixalated pic from the 70s. 80s of a black dog, not being able to see its face and w/o a doubt say it is a pure bred Fila...

You have to join the academy! I know it might look amazing right now, but with enough hardwork mixed in with blood sweat and tears you can do it too. Just don't stop practicing it can take years to perfect the skill but days to loose it.
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
I prefer brindles and i like my fawns with a black mask

The picture of the black dog that juan said he could not see, i see it fine and it doesnt look to be that old of a pic by looking at the cars in the pic and yes i can tell that is a fila , its not hard to see.

And there is zero scientific fact that coat color and temperament have anything to do with one another, temperament and drives are formed by way more things then just coat color, my dogs seem to agree with a big fat zero :lolbangtable: lol

 

fila4me

Well-Known Member
I prefer brindles and i like my fawns with a black mask

The picture of the black dog that juan said he could not see, i see it fine and it doesnt look to be that old of a pic by looking at the cars in the pic and yes i can tell that is a fila , its not hard to see.

And there is zero scientific fact that coat color and temperament have anything to do with one another, temperament and drives are formed by way more things then just coat color, my dogs seem to agree with a big fat zero :lolbangtable: lol

agree and LOVE your pic!!!