7 Mo CC help with diet?

[DukeR]

Hey guys
I always like to come back to this forum because I believe there’s a lot of people on here that can help when it comes to cane Corso’s.
The major issue were having is my puppies diet The breeder was feeding him Iam puppy for large breeds but my puppy did not like it We transitioned him to natures balance with chicken and lamb we noticed his poop being extremely loose and very light color We did an allergy test to find out that he is allergic to chicken, beef, lamb amongst other things like flaxseed oil We’re having a hard time finding a puppy for large breed food that doesn’t have those major proteins We found in the same natures balance a bison but it’s only come in adult food Does anyone here have advise as to what we should do if we should stay with the adults food because it excludes the proteins he is allergic to or try to find a puppy for large breeds Bc I know puppy food is needed for the vitamins. Or if anyone can recommend a good food (Kibble)
PS does anyone feed their cc Kangaroo? We were thinking of trying the signature brand ?

 

[glen]

Hey guys
I always like to come back to this forum because I believe there’s a lot of people on here that can help when it comes to cane Corso’s.
The major issue were having is my puppies diet The breeder was feeding him Iam puppy for large breeds but my puppy did not like it We transitioned him to natures balance with chicken and lamb we noticed his poop being extremely loose and very light color We did an allergy test to find out that he is allergic to chicken, beef, lamb amongst other things like flaxseed oil We’re having a hard time finding a puppy for large breed food that doesn’t have those major proteins We found in the same natures balance a bison but it’s only come in adult food Does anyone here have advise as to what we should do if we should stay with the adults food because it excludes the proteins he is allergic to or try to find a puppy for large breeds Bc I know puppy food is needed for the vitamins. Or if anyone can recommend a good food (Kibble)
PS does anyone feed their cc Kangaroo? We were thinking of trying the signature brand ?

Hi i live in the uk so im not familiar with some of your foods but adult food is best for your pup, i have 3 ccs iv had them all on adult food from 12 weeks old
Someone will be on to help you with food very soon

 

[TylerDurden]

I posted a similar question in my "L.I.D" thread. Our Mastiff puppy seems to have some food sensitivities too and we were looking into Natural Balance. I haven‘t been able to find the actual Calcium/Phosphorus percentages (1/0.8 on Chewy and 0.6/0.5 on NB.com). It seems to be a little low. Also the protein level seems a little low. I sent an Email to both Chewy and NB to find out about the actual percentages, which I can share. Generally I don‘t think there is a big difference between puppy and adult food other than calories.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Typically LB puppy is a sales gimick, but as long as the Calcium/Phosphorous ratios are within good levels then it should be fine to feed. Some breeders only advise feeding an adult or ALS food as the calcium ratios are usually higher than a large breed puppy needs for growth.

 

[DukeR]

I posted a similar question in my "L.I.D" thread. Our Mastiff puppy seems to have some food sensitivities too and we were looking into Natural Balance. I haven‘t been able to find the actual Calcium/Phosphorus percentages (1/0.8 on Chewy and 0.6/0.5 on NB.com). It seems to be a little low. Also the protein level seems a little low. I sent an Email to both Chewy and NB to find out about the actual percentages, which I can share. Generally I don‘t think there is a big difference between puppy and adult food other than calories.

Thank you for your response. I would love if you could share there response with me. I just want to make sure my pup gets the best food and that he’s belly can handle. So far chicken has been the culprit

 

[TylerDurden]

Thank you for your response. I would love if you could share there response with me. I just want to make sure my pup gets the best food and that he’s belly can handle. So far chicken has been the culprit

Sure. Most of the knowledge I have acquired is based on research and input from experienced forum members. I'm by no means a nutritional expert. In summary (based on what I have found very recently).

Here are two links I have found helpful:

Nutritional Risks to Large-Breed Dogs: From Weaning to the Geriatric Years
Best Large Breed Puppy Foods

Again, not saying that this is all correct and the right answer to your questions, but a lot of my research confirms that Calcium to Phosphorus rations should be somewhere between 1:1 - 2:1 (ideally slightly lower). 1.2%-1.8% Calcium and 1.0%-1.6% Phosphorus. On Dogfoodadvisor, there is a calculator you can use to determine the calcium content of various foods, as it has to be in relation to kcals/kg. With that being said, the percentages alone are helpful, but not necessarily enough to determine whether a food is appropriate or not.

Some people argue that it is not necessary to feed puppy food at all. I'm not paying too much attention to "puppy" vs "adult", but to the ingredients and ratios. Recent studies suggest that protein does not have an impact on potential growth related issues, which is why you don't have to be too worried about protein percentages. Most foods for large breeds I have seen are somewhere between 25-30.

Here are the numbers that Natural Balance provided me with. It's always helpful to contact the manufacturers directly, as formulas are changed recently. Websites like chewy.com might not always update the nutritional information right away.

As-Fed :
1.14% calcium
0.71% phosphorus on a As-Fed basis. These values is based on our typical (average) analysis of the product, so natural variations can and do occur.


Dry Matter:
1.23% Calcium
0.76% Phosphorus

I would definitely encourage you to do some own research, as well. It can be confusing but eyeopening at the same time.

 

[TylerDurden]

The as fed and dry matter values are for Natural Balance L.I.D. Sweet Potato and Fish. You can reach out to their customer service and they will provide you with that information on any food they sell.

 

[DennasMom]

I agree with TylerDurden's notes above, too.

Chicken is a common issue in kibble for mastiffs, and it's hard to find a dry food that doesn't have some sort of chicken in it. Some use chicken fat when chicken isn't on the protein list, too.

We went with Solid Gold Wolf Cub when we brought Denna home. It doesn't always get top marks, but it worked for us. Fromm, Orijen and Acana are other quality foods that people here have had good success with.

We moved Denna to a home prepared raw diet (which she loves, and I love the control over what she eats - it's very handy in eliminating allergy issues), when she was just over 6 months old.

Adult food is fine for mastiffs, you want SLOW growth. Puppy food normally (but not always) just has more calories and potentially more calcium - which is BAD for giant breeds.
You want to limit calcium during growth (<1.5 yrs), as TylerDurden has also found; <1.5% Calcium with nearly balanced Phosphorus (i.e. <1.2%)

DogFoodAdvisor is a great resource.
I found a lot of research material on this thread: https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/forums/topic/large-and-giant-breed-puppy-nutrition/
There's also a whole sub-forum here on nutrition issues that might have some good info for you.

Loose poops can be due to allergies, stress, food transitions, or just feeding too much food at one sitting. More meals with smaller portions can help with that, if it's just a quantity thing.

We also found that adding fish oil (omega 3's) helped alleviate a lot of allergic reaction issues (skin itch) for Denna.

 

[mmmcc]

my recent experience with food for my 6 month cc: he is on Diamond Lamb large puppy xyz and it includes some chicken fat as extra protein. He likes the food but his 'output' a little loose . So, recently I started to give him for noon feeding my adult dog food (Iams giant breed, based on chicken) and !!! Much better combo for him so I will maintain that schedule and by one year switch him to adult food.
Apparently Iams's chicken is good for him.

 

[Sheila Braund]

I swear on raw diet.... I had switched my Sunny on it about 5 years ago...She was having huge issues with her sent glands they kept getting infected....it didn't seem to matter what treatment we tried...finally my vet tells me surgery is the only fix and that the out come could be 50/50 if she could control her bowel movement. And a guarantee that if she didn't get the surgery she would lose all control soon...that's when I went to the raw....I couldn't believe the difference....it brought her energy back....she hasn't have an infection since. So when we got our EM Bella I fed her raw. I do know raw isn't as convenient as kibble.

Good luck...I hope you find what's right for you and your fur baby.